Registration of Rv

[Jeff&Karen39MB]

People People People,
Our 39 MB has finally arrived, now comes the question of registration, we live in Va, but we have been told of a company in Montana, called Action Services, LLC Missoula Mt, that can register our RV for a small amount of money with a fee to them for permanent registration. Does anyone use this company, or know of them or have any suggestions on registration as we do not want to do anything illegal.

[r time soon]

Hello, Never heard of them before. I googled and found this:
http://www.rvbusiness.com/2006/11/mo...tage%E2%80%99/
I know that we paid state sales tax when purchasing our RW and then upon plating our redwood still had to pay a hefty bill for excise tax. Ridiculous.

Chris

[danrn]

Same here. Owning one of these RW's is not cheap by any means. Not sure if I would be comfortable going with that agency, does not sound legal. JMO

[markw]

It can save you sales tax and possibly on regestration, BUT could be very expensive if you get caught by your home state.

Mark

[mhs4771]

Yep, many state have caught onto that scam to cut into their tax base and have come after folks. Was really big a few years ago, but most have been scared away because of the pentilites if caught.

[atom ant]

Colorado didn't like it one bit

http://archive.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=68847

Turned in a few myself - especially those with Montana plates on their motorhome and Colorado plates on the toad. Really upset me when they were the campground hosts in a Colorado State Park.

[Dave&Ginny]

Originally Posted by Jeff&Karen39MB

People People People,
Our 39 MB has finally arrived, now comes the question of registration, we live in Va, but we have been told of a company in Montana, called Action Services, LLC Missoula Mt, that can register our RV for a small amount of money with a fee to them for permanent registration. Does anyone use this company, or know of them or have any suggestions on registration as we do not want to do anything illegal.

Depending on how you're going to use your rig, this could either save you money or cost you in a long run. If you currently reside in Virginia and have property there it's kind of hard to convince the tax people that you're on the up and up. On the other hand if you're going full time, it wouldn't be hard at all to use a company like that.

When I retire I might put all my property assets in my son's name and then I could get away from some of the higher taxes and insurance by licensing the rig in the another state.

[lwg]

Honestly, If I'm looking at $15K in possible taxes and fees I'd consider the Montana thing. Two possible outcomes if you do this. 1) You run into no issues and never have a problem, save $15K in the process. 2) You get caught, end up paying the taxes anyways and a fine that will likely be just a few hundred dollars. I'd take that gamble anyday.

That being said, I currently reside in Oregon. We have no sales taxes and the registration on my Redwood was about $300 for 2 years.

[Shane Wood]

You know it is a real shame that honest people even have to think about this
If our government was run like a business for the people of this country. You would not have these same people trying to circumvent the law to try and make ends meet while they hand out our money to the illegals and have not country's etc.
Don't get me started

[danrn]

Originally Posted by lwg

Honestly, If I'm looking at $15K in possible taxes and fees I'd consider the Montana thing. Two possible outcomes if you do this. 1) You run into no issues and never have a problem, save $15K in the process. 2) You get caught, end up paying the taxes anyways and a fine that will likely be just a few hundred dollars. I'd take that gamble anyday.

That being said, I currently reside in Oregon. We have no sales taxes and the registration on my Redwood was about $300 for 2 years.

No sales tax....$300 for TWO years registration. For me, and many others, that would be like winning a lotto. I believe the amount of sales tax and registration fee in my state is very high for a vehicle, that for many of us, may sit in storage for half the year. How some states can have very low fees, while others just hammer us is a mystery to me. I may not register my vehicle out of state, but if these high cost states wants this to stop happening, then maybe they should lower their fees. JMO

[ksaltman]

How does Tennessee rank in the tax + insurance list?

[Radio_Flyer]

Don't try MD, it has to be one of the worst. Only a year at a time and I think my last registration was close to $300. At least Va you can get a permanent tag and not have it in a county with personal property taxes.

[rob_fla]

Our registration / plates in Florida for our Redwood were less than $50
In Florida, no personal property tax only 6% sales tax at the time of purchase on the actual sale price or trade difference.

[atom ant]

Originally Posted by lwg

Honestly, If I'm looking at $15K in possible taxes and fees I'd consider the Montana thing. Two possible outcomes if you do this. 1) You run into no issues and never have a problem, save $15K in the process. 2) You get caught, end up paying the taxes anyways and a fine that will likely be just a few hundred dollars. I'd take that gamble anyday.

That being said, I currently reside in Oregon. We have no sales taxes and the registration on my Redwood was about $300 for 2 years.

LWG, when Colorado settled on the $12M sting, the top 5 fines were over $50,000, + unpaid taxes. Some were sweating prison sentences for fraud, but it ended with just fines. I'm sure that was the result of several thousands and maybe 10s of thousands in defense lawyer fees, but I'm also sure they had more than their motorhomes twisted in the mix.

Ironically - Oregon was the first State to go after the Montana and SD LLCs. I didn't follow how their pursuit went, so I don't know.

[atom ant]

Originally Posted by Shane Wood

You know it is a real shame that honest people even have to think about this
If our government was run like a business for the people of this country. You would not have these same people trying to circumvent the law to try and make ends meet while they hand out our money to the illegals and have not country's etc.
Don't get me started

Really? Trying to make ends meet?

Sorry, but there is no better word than "cheating" to describe forming a Montana L.L.C to avoid paying sales taxes on your $500,000 motor home. The one I am familiar with had it parked behind his $3M home until the state caught on to him and he hid it in our storage lot.

When you decide how the ends meet, you have to include the taxes or you just don't know how to add.

[Dave&Ginny]

It's really hard not to get into a political argument here. Lets keep this discussions on registration and not how the money is wasted.

[Shane Wood]

Atom
Apparently you didn't get the jist of my post

[lwg]

Originally Posted by atom ant

Really? Trying to make ends meet?

Sorry, but there is no better word than "cheating" to describe forming a Montana L.L.C to avoid paying sales taxes on your $500,000 motor home. The one I am familiar with had it parked behind his $3M home until the state caught on to him and he hid it in our storage lot.

When you decide how the ends meet, you have to include the taxes or you just don't know how to add.

Avoiding the political aspect as much as possible. However "cheating" is very legal in the corporation sense, many LLC's make their home states in those that are favorable from a tax perspective. In my opinion avoiding taxes within the letter of the law is perfectly legal and acceptable, too bad most people don't realize this. Many, many people have businesses for the sole purpose of avoiding taxes, not necessarily to make money.

[atom ant]

If those people that Colorado was chasing were within their legal rights, they wouldn't have had anything to worry about. But they weren't.

There is intent. You can form an LLC for the purposes of profitizing from a business, but when you form an LLC in another state solely for the purpose of avoiding taxes in the home state, it is fraud. That was how the ruling came down for those found guilty.

[atom ant]

Originally Posted by Shane Wood

Atom
Apparently you didn't get the jist of my post

Read it again, guess I still don't